Imagine a future where clean energy powers our homes. Diversity enriches our communities, and progress isn't just a buzzword, but a reality. Now picture the forces determined to derail that vision. In this episode, we delve into a crossroads of ambitions and opposition, exploring how The UK's path forward has been clearly challenged, and why hope remains our most powerful ally. Now, before I get started, I would like to ask you a favor.

It's a very simple one. Open up your email client, and, in the To field, just type in takeitEVegmail dot com. Okay. Thank you. So this episode is gonna get slightly political.

But despite being on a spectrum, I'm not gonna be throwing my arms around, and I'm not gonna be calling anybody names. However, I would like to kind of delve into the threat of the opposition to, quote unquote, net zero, whatever that means, electrification, decarbonization, and, you know, good fight from the right side of the political spectrum in The UK called reform. And don't worry, I'm not gonna be trying to bring it down. Hopefully, this is going to be a positive episode. I've enlisted some of my friends to partake and, you know, share their point of views.

Because I often, as a person on the spectrum, I have very polarised views. You know, I flip between very bad and very good. There are some much more clever people out there who, know, luckily for us, I'd like to raise their voices, the people you've heard before. One of them is Quentin Wilson, and the other one is Dan Caesar from EV UK, and also Everything Electric, Fully Charged Life, and all those good things. And don't worry, I did send an email to the reform party to get their opinions or their feedback on the email that I sent to them.

But as of recording of this episode, I haven't heard back, so I wouldn't hold my breath anyway. I've been trying to be fair, but at the same time, the gist of the episode is basically I don't think we have anything to fear. However, we should be aware and we should be educating people around us. So not a new message, but a new angle. And hopefully you may gain a new view on the whole right wingers trying to take away our batteries and solar panels and being scared of, you know, us taking their cars away and all that other nonsense that we all know isn't true, however they may fear.

So let's dive in, friends. And that email that you just opened, if you have any comments, good, bad, whatever, please write to me. Would love to hear your feedback. I know this isn't going to be the usual episode. I usually stay away from the political things.

But just like anything else in reality, you know, we have to deal with humans on day to day basis. And politics is no different. Let's start with the extracts from the policies. Reform UK adopts a critical stance towards green energy initiatives, electrification of transportation, and The UK's so called net zero targets.

The policies and public statements reflect scepticism about economic viability and practicality of transitioning away from fossil fuels.

On the energy and net zero, they oppose The UK's net zero commitments, arguing that they are economically burdensome and unrealistic. Party leader Richard Theiss has pledged to use legal avenues to obstruct green energy projects, including solar farms, battery storage facilities, and pylons, whatever. Pilons, why? Labeling them as unsightly and ideologically driven. Irony is thick.

This opposition is part of a broader campaign against renewable energy development. On the electrical vehicles and transportation electrification, the party is critical of the push towards electrical vehicles, viewing it as an impractical and costly endeavour. Reform UK argues that the transition to EVs imposes a financial strain on consumers and lacks sufficient infrastructure support. They advocate for a more gradual approach that does not mandate rapid electrification of transport. Green and sustainable jobs.

Reform UK does not prioritise investment in green and sustainable jobs. That should be possibly on their website. Their economic policies focus on a reduction of taxes, cutting government spending and deregulation.

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than promoting green industry initiatives, the party emphasises traditional sectors and energy sources, like their sponsors, or big oil, basically, expressing scepticism about the economic benefits of the green economy. In summary, Reform UK policies reflect a preference for traditional energy sources, whatever that means. So personally, I get that people are angry. Like, I mean, we've had fifteen years of Conservatives, then we elected Labour, kind of hoping for change. And they're slightly disappointing.

But, you know, the previous party has been on the rule for fifteen years, so it takes a while for the new government to kind of do anything. And they're still trying to, you know, they're not the labour that we used to know twenty plus years ago. And I think times have changed worldwide. So I get why people are turning towards the reform. There's also obviously recent changes in the politics in The US where, you know, Mr.

Trump got elected again. And it's funny, it's May when I'm recording this, and he started, you know, doing his things in January towards the end. And people loads of people are already angry at him. So yet we have party like reform, and I and some folks in The UK as well who still wanna kinda copy some of the Trump's, you know, funny ideas and dodges and all that, which is I mean, if there were good ideas or, like, ideas that actually have some promise, I'd I'd get it. But we haven't seen the end of it.

Right? It's one thing to copy something that has a promise and it's been tested over and over again. And it's another when those ideas are not exactly been proven. And I have a doubt they will be, but that's just my take on it. Let's obviously see what happens.

So recently, some of the local councils had their elections, and the reform had kind of surprised everybody by winning quite a few seats. However, obviously, because those are not all of the councils, I don't think it's I mean, they've been behaving like they won the whole country, but think it's just a warning shot towards the rest of the country to A, go and vote in your local elections because they do much more than you think. And B, maybe Labour government should actually change a few things and start actually acting on the premises. Who knows? But currently reformers let me count one, two, three, four fifth on the list of all the parties in The UK.

And that includes, you know, all the this is The UK, so England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Reform is not exactly the biggest party when it comes to councils. We have Labour on top, Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, then Greens, and then Reform, and then other parties like SNP and localised parties, you know, Welsh and Irish and whatever. So not exactly mind blowing, but it's, you know, it's a bit of a it's a bit of a worry. And the reform seems to have gained some traction after making, you know, loads of populist set of promises based on a story which, as of yet, has no ending in The US, just like I mentioned.

All we know is that there is no net positive to it. And it's largely driven by far right mindset. We have a man of the people, Mr. Farage, with, you know, yet another political party. The previous one was called UK Independence Party.

Independence from anything but the fuel and the big oil, obviously, which is quite hilarious. Promising whatever will please the lowest common denominator of the angry layer of the society. There is always an angry layer of society. Promising to stop wasting public money on promoting net zero diversity, whatever's the theme of the day. And frankly, whilst there are some savings to be made in the public sector, there's a bunch of wannabe Elon Musk followers, but with more of a drive and less of an experience.

I don't have a doubt that they are riding on the, you know, Dunning Kruger effect of their actions for a brief moment of time, following by a major set of failures and setbacks, which won't be publicly discussed on the GB News, and might just be a meme on the internet in the end. In the end, this will slow down any attempt at decarbonisation of our country, Allow them to throw more doubt at science and reality. And once again, this will benefit the foreign buckers. So Mr. Farage will blow on his horn, you know, in the victorious tones, which won't benefit most of his voters, and nobody else really.

I haven't seen this before or, you know, haven't actually worked out his modus operandi. I mean, let's look at the failures of Brexit. After all, where is the £350,000,000 a day for the NHS, Mr. Farage? And there is no red tape export, some of us were promised, right?

The number of businesses that I know who suffered greatly or had to open another HQ somewhere in EU to deal with it. It's just it's staggering. But you don't hear those on the news because it's bad, obviously. So personally, I don't think Mr. Ferrara has built anything meaningful or successful in his life and gains from what we now can openly call homebrew basement critics and angry people who have no other recourse in their life but blame it on the actions of the government or otherwise, quote unquote, the others.

I do hope that, just like his friend, Mr Trump, Farage and his minions will be mostly tripping over their own incompetence and divisions. After all, I don't see any one strong bond which unites them, apart from the will to criticize actions of the others, which becomes much harder when you're one responsible for running your local council. I suppose the only thing left then is to criticise the government, sound and disson, or whatever you want. Mind you, even that doesn't work, since technically Mr. Farage is now part of the governing body.

He is the MP. Terrible one at that. So in my opinion, it's the same mechanism which led to false means spreading on the internet. EVs are failing and burning, or solar panels are not making any sense, or hydrogen's been blocked by the big battery mafia, which Mr. Farage and that's the effect that Mr.

Farage exploits to appease to his financiers and electorate. After all, it's easy to criticise and say you would have done this better. As an aside, if any one of you actually works in the technical fields, like we've all had a young whippersnapper coming in and saying, oh, if I did this from scratch, I would have done this better. Or in the software industry, oh yeah, if I could just rewrite this, just give me two weeks and this will all be done. We've all seen people like that.

It's just a human nature to wonder, right? Like, it's just a this is just a human nature. However, how many of us have seen their efforts being criticised by outsiders without having the full picture? I think that's the electorates which political movements like reform are trying to appease to. But talk is mostly cheap.

And just like with the realities and failures of Brexit, I do not expect them to provide net positive or even net zero. It will be net negative. So that's my little point of view. But I'll transition over to Mr Quentin Wilson. After all, he knows Mr Farage himself, and you know, let's be honest, he has much more experience, political and otherwise, he's been on GB News many times, and literally spoke to these people in person.

There's a lot of pundits out there that are saying that reform and Farage could be the the the next government and and the next prime minister. But, you know, a week is a long time in politics, and and they've got a few years before that that moment arrives. And, you know, they they could stumble quite seriously between between now and any any election. So I think the die is absolutely not cast. There's definitely a bunch of people out there who who do support, Farage and and and reform.

And, look. I I know Nigel reasonably well, and I've worked with him over the years. And if he was here now, you know, you'd you'd you'd you'd be having a a nice conversation with him. I I mean, I I like him. I don't necessarily agree with his politics, but he's a very charismatic individual, and that's one of the things which might propel him nearer to number 10.

But the policies do worry me, and then particularly if you look at the the the their use of net zero as as now as a battle a battle cry. I think the most important thing to say is that net zero has been badly managed by Labour, and I think, you know, those two words, net zero, are meaningless to most voters. They're a phrase that that that or it's it's a phrase that's been coined by a metropolitan elite, and most people don't know what it means. I mean, you know, net zero is is is is reducing your your your emissions and also extracting emissions out of the the the air using carbon capture. Now that's that's that's nuts.

I think carbon capture is an unproven technology, and most carbon capture schemes across the world have underperformed. So the whole thing, I think, is is faulted. So I think it needs a new lexicon, a new a new phrase, a new language to make it less usable as as a right wing as a right wing battle cry. So we need to look at that very carefully and say, you know, what do we talk about? Is it a renewable future?

Is it clean air and clean energy for all? But just get away from those hugely emotionally charged words, net zero, because it it it for most voters, it's become a toxic phrase. So that's the first thing I would say we need to do. And then in in doing that, you take away that ability to to weaponize net zero. And and if if if as as Faraj and Richard Tyson have said, you know, they they they they're declaring declaring war on on net zero.

Well, it's kind of you know, are are saying that they're gonna unpick everything we've done, particularly in in The UK, to move towards cleaner air, cheaper energy, and and and more renewables? And that would seem particularly wrongheaded, and it it's clearly ideological. And and and they see, you know, the the the the net zero and the reduction in emissions and and less use of fossil fuels as as a a left wing ambition. And it's not. We know from all the polls that there are lots and lots of people out there, ordinary, right thinking, level headed people who don't want their children to breathe polluted air and don't want us to be constantly in the thrall of monopolistic petro states who just want to raise the price of of of fossil fuels, and we've had years and years of that.

And the idea that we should should break all that and take a lump hammer to it and just carry on buying fossil fuels and and burning them and polluting the atmosphere is If that's a political strategy, I'm not sure it's gonna work because there are more people out there who want a change than those who don't. And I think you've got to look at the noise out there, which is from a minority. As I've said, most people who who lay claim to a level head don't want us to carry on burning this stuff and and and causing climate change and causing causing low air quality in our towns and cities. So I think it's a really difficult thing for them to do. And if you look at the local councils, reforms say, you know, they're gonna shake things up, and they're gonna change things and and get rid of everybody who's doing DEI and everything who's doing doing climate change stuff and electric car charging and and shake up the planet.

Well, that sounds great, but it's really difficult to do, and they'll find that as reform councillors coming in to local councils and and trying to change that, that some of this stuff is enshrined in law. Some of it's really difficult. And are we talking about stopping insulating homes of vulnerable people to save them energy costs? Is that a good thing? No.

Clearly not. And it's gonna cost more money than it might save. And and what's happening is they're taking Trump Trump and Elon's playbook of of saying we're gonna cut cut cut wasting councils, and we're gonna scrap all this this renewable stuff and and and and what Biden, you know, the the, the IRA stuff. That's not gonna work here just as it hasn't really worked in America. And, you know, Americans are pushing back against Musk, and and and and Doge.

So I think, you know, it it sounds like a grand plan, but I think it's gonna be really, really difficult to execute. And you've got to remember that that that in The UK, we are now the the the most successful market for electric cars in Europe, and and we've overtaken France and Germany. And and we've cut our carbon emissions by 50%, fifty three % since since 1990. And we're a thought leader in in renewables and clean energy and and low emissions. And if you stand on a political platform and say, I don't agree with all that, and I'm gonna smash it up, I'm not sure you're gonna get a huge consensus of people saying, actually, that's a good thing to do because clearly, it's not.

And this idea that this fossil fuels is a is a growing industry and, you know, it it's got such a great future. If if we we we reinstated all those licenses to drill for oil and gas in in in the North Sea, I mean, that that that basin geo geographically and geologically is depleted to get all that stuff out. The the amount they imagine wouldn't be financially viable with the price of oil, where it is at the moment. And and it if you've got it all out, might only be, you know, three or four weeks of supply for The UK. So they they need to get their facts straight.

And, also, you know, this thing which is never discussed that if you if you if you drill and get this stuff out, then it doesn't go directly to The UK. It would go on to the open market and and be sold to the highest bidder. There's no way you would channel that into it just to to to The UK. So it isn't something that, you know, we would benefit from directly. It would it would be sold abroad.

So there's all this stuff which needs to be looked at, and you need to look at the facts and say, actually, that's not doable. That's not possible.

Yes. And I always find it again, as a Pole who migrated to this country, you know, twenty years ago I find it ironic that somebody who used to have an independence party wants to be very dependent on foreign influence and all fuels. Like, It just does not add up in my head. And I'm sure he's very much aware of that. And, you know, independence wasn't his this was a fight against EU.

And now it's reform because, you know, we want to change things. I don't understand this playbook of let's follow what they're doing in America or whatever. Their chapter is not finished. Like, we haven't seen the ending to that story. And at the end of the day, don't think reform cutting the DEI or whatever they want to cut at the council level, or even at the government level, is going to save an average voter who is probably on the low income and already poor and angry of the government any money.

No, I know. But look, you have to look at this and say that the Conservatives and Labour have failed to engage voters and to make the change. And and I think, you know, we we shouldn't be shy about saying this. The reason why reform exists is that the current political party system is broken, and they haven't delivered, and nobody trusts them anymore. So that's why why reform and and forage have been have been successful.

But I think, you know, we've got to say, is this the the country that Britain would want want to be where it is so extreme right wing? And look, whatever your views on immigration, I think it's very fair to say that, you know, unchecked immigration is unsustainable, and we we all knew that, we've got to do something about it. And that's the platform, the major platform that that that reform is is trying to be elected on, and and and neither conservatives or labor have done enough to sort that out, and we're all worried about it. We're all worried about our our public services and and and and the drain and putting people up in hotels at our cost. That's a big social angst, but the idea that with that comes this destruction of what is a really, really good, successful and and and powerful initiative to make the world better, particularly The UK with cleaner air and and and cheaper energy and energy independence.

These are things that that we've we've got to fight for.

And lastly, I think that basically I mean, there's a lot of innovation in industry in The UK that's been built up on the promise of, you know, net zero, if we're going to carry on. So, for this episode, at least, to using that term. I to start using different terms a bit more less abstract. We cannot afford to be left behind. It's kind of like Mr.

Watt coming up with, you know, steam engine back in the day, and people saying, nah, I'd rather not pay for that. I'd rather have horses and plow my fields, you know, with my 10 wives or whatever children. Like, it's just it's ridiculous.

It is. And it's so little Britain, isn't it? I mean, you look at China and you look at what they've done. Was it three and a half million charge points, 17,000,000 electric cars? And they've they've built a, you know, the made in China Twenty Twenty Five initiative, which which has been hugely successful for them.

But here we are. We're gonna stick our heads in the sand sand and pretend that the rest of the world isn't isn't doing this, and we're gonna go back to fossil fuels, and everything's gonna be okay. Well, it's not. You know, that that huge technological change that's happening out there will just sweep us away if we don't do this. And your your point about industry, you know, we we we we can create this green industry, which creates more jobs.

For every every one fossil fuel job, there's two fossil there's two green energy jobs being created. And we're we're seeing that, you know, that that that the jobs in fossil fuels are declining, whereas jobs in in green energy and solar and hydro and wind and in EVs, in batteries are increasing. So then that's a global megatrend. And to ignore it for ideological reasons and to be little Britain and to go back in time to, as you as you say, you know, the horse and the heart virtually, that's nuts as well.

Any other positive points you could make? It depresses me having to think about that and kind of fighting. You know, when you know inside that what you think is a better answer, and there's people doing stupid things frankly, was just my personal view it angries me internally, and I just I come to a point where I'm just like, I don't know what to do.

But this is the rise of the right, isn't it? And it's happening all over Europe and in America. If you're a voter and if you if you're somebody who's being influenced by all this stuff you read on social media, a lot of which is is is is is not based in fact, but is just ideological, hatred, you've just got to say, look, the facts are there if you're just prepared to look at them. You could get at them on your phone. You can find out how successful, you know, solar is and and and and hydro and and and the promise of of of of, you know, clean energy for all and and and wind turbines.

But if you just want your belief system to to to to to be exposed to the stuff you you you wanna hear, then, yeah, you're gonna you're gonna get sucked into this this vortex of hatred and and and and and right wing politics. So just be more inquiring. Be be be more, you know, due diligence and and and learn this stuff. People say to me, well, you know, I never have an EV because the batteries don't last. Well, actually, just look a little bit further because you'll find that there's there's a there's a raft of information that says that EV batteries last minimum 200,000 miles and fifteen years, which in many cases is longer than most combustion engines.

So that information is out there. Just look for it, and don't swallow the stuff you read on Facebook and and and x and and and TikTok or whatever as gospel because it's not. And you're being sucked into this this this what's the word I'm looking for? This this con job where where, you know, right wing forces are telling us what to believe, and it's not based in fact or or or or actuality or or honesty or or truth. And as civilized individuals, we we have an obligation, don't we, to to to make sure we do the right things for each other and for society and and and for the good of the world.

So what do you think about Quentin's point of view? Again, that email that you opened there, you know, just please let me let me know. And I also asked Dan Caesar to comment on this. Of course, you know, just like Quentin, he I don't think he knows Mr. Farage personally, but he knows, you know, way more about these things, and he actually is the one talking to politicians a lot, way more than I am, put it that way.

And hopefully, you know, just like Quentin, I think Dan brings us a little bit of hope and and a little bit of a wise word. So let's hear from Dan.

There's no doubt that the recent reform, results in the local elections, are causing, alarm, across The UK, the prospect potentially that Reform UK could form a government in 2028 or 2029 when the next election comes along. It is, I think, important that there is that fear because I think there is three or four years for the government and the wider society to respond to what's going on, and maybe, strengthen, the opposition to reform and get match fit for a general election whenever it, next arrives. I think, really, politics is obviously a difficult thing, and making predictions is a fool's errand. So here goes from from my perspective. We live in a country which is pretty addicted to two party politics.

Obviously, there's some great work being done by other MPs up and down the country, but typically, it's been a country where it's been labor versus conservative. There does seem to be something of a shift going on, and it does seem that the vacuum that the Conservatives are leaving behind is being inhabited by reform. So does that mean that they will take all the votes from the Conservatives in the next election, and then they will become a serious power, potentially a government in 2028, '20 '20 '9. Well, I still doubt that to be completely, honest. It's relatively early stages in the Labour government's, you know, time span.

They're sort of ten, eleven months into their their kind of period of power, and I think that it's natural that there is something of a protest vote at this point, but that's not me being glib. I do genuinely think there are some real reasons for concern, And I think probably what I would do is I would probably respond first in terms of reform itself. The UK is in a very difficult position economically speaking. It has been experiencing no growth or low growth for quite a few years now, and you can really trace that back to to Brexit as the major cause of that. There have, of course, been a whole range of other events that have meant that economic growth has been difficult here, but Brexit still is the cause of that.

I think that's pretty clear in most people's minds, and, I think that, obviously, as Farage was the kind of poster child poster boy, excuse me, for for that campaign, as reform is kind of unable to distinguish itself from being the architects of Brexit, that will, mean that a lot of people will not vote for Farage Leiparty or or for reform. I think there's a it's fairly safe to say that actually that will prevent a lot of people from crossing, Farage or Richard Tice's name, in a ballot box in a few years' time. You know, there are short memories and there are lots of, you know, I guess, lots of misinformation out there, lots of lies being told if I can be so so bold. And I think that, that party will probably stop at nothing to, you know, claim Brexit was a good idea or or maybe just not talk about it at all and move on to the next issue as they see it, which has been immigration traditionally. And now I think we're gearing up to a period where net zero is going to be a big, big factor, in the next election, sadly.

Immigration and how we tackle that as a country has not been solved. It's it's almost like an insoluble problem, actually. We do need people to come to this country, but they seem to have moved on to the next bogeyman, which is, you know, you're gonna have your car taken away or you're gonna have your boiler taken away. You know, your energy bills are gonna get more expensive. And they seem to think that that is a another winning ticket, another way of getting people to, you know, cast a vote for Reform UK in general election.

Personally, I don't believe that is the case. I think that, you know, if you survey people on elect electrification, renewables, etcetera, typically, people are very, very pro those technologies. There are some, you know, hesitancy, but there's not that much hostility. And, actually, you know, many different things like Department of Energy and Climate Change's opinion tracker they used to run a few years ago was very, very positive about things like solar, batteries, wind, etcetera. And, you know, people are voting in increasingly high numbers for electric vehicles, as well.

So I actually think come the point of the next election, it may be less of a less of a factor. Now I obviously specialize in electric cars and and cleantech, so, obviously, I'm gonna say two things in those areas. There are other growth areas as well, but they've got to sell us a positive vision of where Britain's gonna go, and they've got to show us that Britain is going to grow again. At the moment, it looks hard to believe in a future where we're going to grow again as an economy. So they've got to paint a positive picture, and they've got to drive hard to that over the next three or four years.

And I think there are two areas where they really can do that. First of all, clean technologies. There is a huge, huge opportunity for UK PLC to play a more positive role in that. There was a great story, by, Hannah Ritchie, who runs, something called, Sustainability by Numbers, which indicated that having solar come into our solar panels come into our country relatively cheaply is not undercutting us actually. For every one job that creates in China where a lot of the solar panels are coming in from, three are created here because of installations.

And, actually, the reality is when it comes to the jobs market, what jobs are secure in the next four, five, six, seven, eight years as AI takes a more and more leading role? And I think it's installation jobs. You know? If I'm completely honest, installation of charging points, installation of heat pumps, other electrification, heat technologies, installation of batteries, solar, etcetera. I would say to any young people or even old people who are looking to retrain, getting into that is, you know, a way of guaranteeing yourself work for for life.

And so clean technologies are a huge, huge opportunity. And if there are lots of people benefiting from that new greener economy, those people will have more money in their pockets ultimately to spend, on the economy, as well. So I would say this is a very, very obvious area in which the government should go, full bore. At the moment, they're humming and hoaring, and they're talking about things like carbon capture and storage, small modular reactors, you know, putting hybrids back into the twenty thirty to twenty twenty five phase out period. This to me smacks of they're being lobbied very heavily, and they're listening too much to the lobbyists.

They need to have a more positive vision, which is based around cleaner technologies, including electric vehicles. That is where we can benefit. And perhaps some of the people that make those technologies might want to actually make them here in The UK as well. So that's point number one. And point number two, the elephant in the room is we just signed a trade deal or purported to sign a trade deal with The US.

Earlier this week, we've also signed a trade deal with India. But the two two blocks, the two parts of the world where the biggest trade opportunities exist are Europe, and it does seem to me like labor government is trying to subtly kind of reaccess that that market, but also China. It is a huge elephant in the room. I've just come back from the Shanghai Motor Show. What we've seen there has absolutely blown us away.

They are the market leaders in all these clean technologies and lots of other technologies too. We should, as we have done with India, as we have done with The US, as we will do, I'm sure, with the EU, we should be seeking closer trading ties with China. That is an economic rocket ship, and we need to get closer. By selling a positive vision around clean tech and around, you know, greater international trade, we can transform our economy over the next four three or four or certainly enough that people feel it. And by the time they next go to the ballot box, they're much more inclined to vote, labor, or at least not reform.

Personally, I think there will be a coalition government at the next election. You heard it here first, but I think it might well be Lib Dems, Labour, Green, and a smattering of other parties that make that up. I don't think reform will get in, but we are right to be worried about it, and we need to get ready. This probably will be the net zero election.

So, Mr. Farage and Reform UK, what do you guys think? If you're not from The UK, feel free to actually, you know, let me know what is happening in your local circuits. What worries you? Perhaps we can talk about that.

I don't intend to do any more political episodes if I don't have to, but I thought this one is worthy of airing. So just to take us out, people like Farage and parties like Reform UK rely on people's desperate needs. You know, they just harness that level of desperation in anybody's life. And we've all been there. And my kind of point of view is like when you're making a decision, voting or otherwise, you shouldn't ask anybody for help without doing any research.

And you shouldn't really do make any decisions when you're desperate, when you're annoyed, when you're angry. Nothing good comes out ever. And I think just like, you know, Mr. Trump is a poorest person idea of wealthy billionaire, so is a forage, a poor and unfortunate circumstance person's idea of a British success. And all that aside, just like you shouldn't be basing your political choices on social media, and definitely do not base them on podcasts, bigger or smaller, especially if they try to impress you.

That would be my suggestion anyway. And if you're still not convinced whilst I won't, you know, like I said, I'm not going to link to their website. I'm happy to provide you with the references to their policies that I researched in here. And for whatever they are worth, straight up criticising validity of so called net zero future and electrification of transportation, I do not recommend anybody reading them. They're trying to blame everything and their mother on electrification of transportation in our homes.

I think it's either corrupt or delusional. You decide. Maybe both. And on that note, remember to send me that email. And if you enjoyed this and would like me to continue making this podcast, please share this with others.

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If you were afraid of reform, hopefully you're no longer. If you were trying to consider voting for them I hopefully persuaded you that maybe you should reconsider. And for everyone listening, thank you for your time and I'll see you on the next one. Greg out.