Scottish Power’s Vision for a Greener Tomorrow
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Bob:Bob Murphy.
Gregg:Bob Murphy. And, Bob is gonna tell us all about Scottish power and his, you know, background in EV charging and
Bob:Yeah. I
Gregg:haven't spoken to you yet about this. So this is the all new to me as much as to to our listeners. So, introduce yourself and tell us what we're gonna be talking about. What are you doing now, basically? Is let's start with that.
Bob:That's cool. Yeah. So I'm Bob Murphy. I'm a technical executive with Scottish Power, and what I do is support our sales and projects team with delivering smart mobility projects. So that could be anything from home charging through to public charging, fleet charging, all these kind of areas, as well as sort of home mobility or home smart home solutions as well.
Gregg:Okay. And is it just obviously, it's only in Scotland. Right?
Bob:No. No. It's UK wide. Okay. So we we everywhere from the, you know, Johnny Groes all the way down in Land's End.
Gregg:And in between? Yeah. Yeah. I heard it's a famous route that everybody does every day.
Bob:Oh, yeah. Yeah. Much easier these days with longer range EV rain off, to be fair. So
Gregg:So but your your your history or your story with EV started long time ago. Right?
Bob:Yeah. It's been way more than a decade now. I've I've been doing this. So it goes way, way back to 2011 when I was a mature student. I'd gone back to college to train as a mechanic and got involved with a research program for EVs, and this is around about the time that the the renaissance of EVs was starting again.
Bob:And there was a bit of a the college I was at was doing a program to reduce the cost of gray fleet mileage because staff would use their own vehicles for travelling between campuses, and they were looking at a way to reduce that. And the most sensible way to do it was to get an electric vehicle because there was no fuel cost involved and give those to the staff to use those for journeys because it was, maybe six mile distance between the campuses and things like that. So there was a a research program kicked off. I got involved with that as an intern, gathered them data on it, and it was hugely, hugely successful. It was it was demonstrated very, very quickly that there was money we saved, demonstrated that EVs were viable.
Bob:You could be using them for that kind of work. And so when when Edinburgh College was created by the merger of the college I was at at the time and our local colleges, they decided to go for a fully electric bull car fleet, and we're one of the first pioneering companies to ever do that.
Gregg:What year was that?
Bob:That would be 02/2012. Okay.
Gregg:So early leafs and zois.
Bob:It was it wasn't it wasn't even that. It was messing with shinies. Oh. So that you know, it'd be jelly bean kind of car with Yeah. Yeah.
Bob:90 miles on a good day, 20 miles on a bad day, with heating oil and stuff. So so, yeah, it was it was real, real trailblazing stuff. But I finished my course and became the fleet manager for Edinburgh College running that pool car fleet.
Gregg:What sort of job is it? Like, what does it involve to be a fleet manager? Just out of curiosity, when you have you know, how many IMEFs did you say?
Bob:We had five in total. So we had, four with the campuses, one for each campus, and we had a Citroen c zero that was based at, our kind of partner organization in Edinburgh. So we looked after those ones to begin with, and that was where that was where the fleet started off. And this is before there was any public charging infrastructure. There was nowhere you could charge the car publicly.
Bob:We had to manufacture our own charge points. So we got the students involved in in the manufacturing process to build build charge points that we could put out in the car park, and it was just a basic couch, high three pin socket. So, you know, it's it's it's way before anything like we have nowadays was was even a thing. But, yeah, it was the the fleet manager role in general is, has become a lot more creative and a lot more of a leadership role nowadays. I have got a lot of friends who are fleet managers who who look after very little harsh fleets, and they directly influence the direction that certain companies are going because of the net net zero goals and things like that.
Bob:So it's not just a case of buying cars and maintaining cars and then selling cars at the end of that lease or anything like that. There's now a whole range of other things that are brought into it. So it gives people the chance to be creative. It gives people the chance to to kinda influence policy decisions and things like that, plus do community benefit and and demonstrate that there are savings to be made and environmental impact to be made through through the operation of a fleet. And it goes a long way to change people's opinions as well.
Bob:You put people in an electric vehicle, you give them a chance to drive an electric vehicle, and then their perception changes. And they may go in and buy their own electric vehicle after they've had the chance to drive one in a fleet context.
Gregg:Following all that, what else has happened to led you that led you to, you know, join the Scottish power? I'm sure there's been some Oh, yeah. Cool things going on.
Bob:There's been a lot of stuff in in the meantime. So, the Edinburgh College fleet went from strength to strength. So, of course, because we were a a kind of leading organization and we were doing things for the first time, there was a lot of interest in that. We won a number of awards for the fleet in the operation, and we expanded the fleet. We we embedded it with a curriculum too so that all the the the data we were generating from the electric cars, we could feed that straight back into the courses that we that we were delivering for students at the time.
Bob:And we could also tie that in with the the solar metal that had been built at the the middle of the campus too. So that that allowed us to kind of broaden broaden the kind of scope of of how useful the electric vehicles were to us apart from just using them for, you know, saving great fleet mileage and things like that. So that that obviously got a bit of attention. The we ended up running a fleet of Nissan Leafs, BMW I threes, e and v 200 vans, and, an electric money bus that we were gifted by the Scottish government, which was great fun. A very early very, very, very early EV conversion with some limitations, but it was fantastic for for going back and forward between campuses and and taking some of the classes out back and forward and stuff as well.
Bob:So so it was brilliant. But, yeah, during the course of that, I got approached by a colleague that I've been working with on a couple of other projects, who invited me to come and join a company that was selling CharPoints and delivering infrastructure. That was a company called Evolt at the time, and then they're now called Evolt again after being Swarco in between. So so that sent me off on a journey of selling CharPoints around Scotland and being business development. I'm a business development manager for Swarco and travelling all around the country in a a wee BMW, selling charge points, body infrastructure, putting charge points in, which was absolutely fantastic.
Bob:It was great fun doing that. So, yeah, that's a whole lot of work. They put in a lot of chargers, and, they would grow that kind of a stay in Scotland for the the wider public.
Gregg:Going back to the the university and running, you know, fleet of EVs, I have to ask, like, has been has there been a lot of pushback from staff or other, you know, decision makers about this? And how did you go about, like, are there any stories in that? Like, you know, because those those were the days where I mean, I remember driving my LEAF, you know, in 02/2016 and onwards. And people would be say to me, like, oh, is this this is this it? What's the range?
Gregg:90 miles or what? Good luck, basically, was what I would say.
Bob:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There there was a bit of pushback from some some elements because there was a lot of people that were using their own their own cars, and, of course, they were getting mileage expenses from that. And that was, what, 45p per mile.
Bob:So it's a nice little Lucas Adirna for some people that would do a lot of travel. But at the time, you know, there wasn't there wasn't anybody checking to make sure that those folk weren't insured to be using their vehicles for work program or, you know, work work related activities. And in many cases, people weren't actually insured to be using their own private vehicle to do work. You know, they're they're assured to commute to and from a place of work, but they were insured to do visits to various places while they were at that place of work and things. So so there was a bit of pushback from that until we can explain what the position was and things.
Bob:But one of the things that that I did very, very early at the outset was one to one training with everybody who was gonna be booking an electric vehicle. So that gave me the chance to kinda get them sat down, go through the controls, go through the the limitations with the early vehicles and stuff like that, make sure that they knew what to expect so that they didn't go out and find themselves stuck on the on the motorway or something like that because they've run out of charge. Yeah. And that was great for getting some buy in and things. And once people learned how to drive it and once they find out how good they were to drive, that that can change a lot of opinions as well.
Bob:Especially when they find out things like, you know, they could have the car preheated for the morning when they when they went out to drive, and they didn't have to scrape the car or anything. You know? And it's like, oh, heated heated seats and heated steering wheels and things like that.
Gregg:Yeah. Back then, it was like a, you know, pro fancy market. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Gregg:Yeah.
Bob:And and those kind of things help people kinda, you know, embrace it and then go for it and and and move on. And, you know, we when when we introduced the vans, there was a bit of pushback from the facility the facilities guys because they thought, oh, this this van's not gonna be any good. It's not gonna do what I want it to do. It's not gonna carry what we need it to carry, stuff like that. And at the end of the day, we ended up getting them so on board with it.
Bob:They actually started having competitions with each other to see who got the best range out of it. Oh, nice. It totally totally changed the opinion around altogether. So yeah. That that was the way to do it.
Bob:That that whole kinda once people know what they're getting into and once you've, you know, once you've demonstrated what the vehicle can do, you know, you know, you can go back to people and say, yes. I've done this trip from point x to point y. Here's how I did it. You've got plenty of range left. You know?
Bob:You're not gonna lose any range behind the radio on. You don't have to switch the lights off when it's dark to save the battery. You just go and drive it like you would normally, you know, and just be a wee bit more efficient. That's it.
Gregg:Yeah. Well, it's one of those questions that people always ask is, like, you what about the lights? What about the air conditioning? And I'm like, this it that takes fraction of the power that required to actually move the the thing, so Yeah. Don't worry about it.
Bob:Yeah. Yeah. That's certainly one one of the things I did was I went out and and drove a car, thought it was totally dead to to show to show people what would happen with it when Yeah. When the traction battery died. And, of course, it doesn't just stop dead in the middle of the road.
Bob:You can coast to the side. You can still have your hazard warning lights on. You can still get somebody to come down and pick you up and take you to a char point.
Gregg:Yeah. And it warns you well well in advance.
Bob:Yeah. That's it. Yeah.
Gregg:Remind me, what was the range on those vehicles?
Bob:So the Daimiews would get realistically, it was about 80 miles on you know, without the heating or anything being switched on or anything like that. You could have the heated seat on, and it was fine. That didn't really impact the range or anything. But the way that NiMeavs worked was that they had a a kind of resistive heater. Yeah.
Bob:And as soon as you switched that on, you half the range immediately. So, you know, not ideal for long distance trips. And one one of my very, very first long distance trips was in the Nile Leaf. And this was a this is a bit of a story, this one, because we'd only just got public charge points installed at the college. So this was part of a scheme called Plugged in Places that kinda kicked off around maybe 02/2013, '2 thousand '14.
Bob:So we got ChargePoint installed that were then on a public network that was operated in Scotland at the time by Charger Car CYC. And the ins the installers of the ChargePoint, which ironically was Evolq, the company that I had to work for afterwards, gave us a little RFID card with ChargePoint. And I thought, great. I've got this RFID card. It's a golden pass.
Bob:I can go anywhere in the country now and plug my car in and charge it. So there was an event in Aberdeen. I think it was an Energy Savings Trust event, a forum event or something like that. So I thought, right, I'm gonna drive from the middle of the campus in Dalkeith to Aberdeen in the midst of Buscemiime, with its 90 mile range, you know, on a very, very good day. Right?
Bob:I thought, okay. It's gonna prove a point that I can do this kind of distance in an electric car. It's not gonna cost any money. Off we go. Because the just Jarlingscombe was free at the time.
Bob:You know? So for a Scotsman, if it's free, that's amazing. Take full advantage of it. And so 05:00 in the morning, I had my everything in the cell ready to go. I had my little card shot off north of the A 9 and got to Perth, Broxton.
Bob:And for anybody that knows Perth, Broxton now, there's loads of chargers without Ark and Ride, but back in those days, there was only one. And my card wouldn't work with it. There was no no app or anything like that. There was no contactless back in those days. It was an RFID card or you phoned the contact center, but the contact center was shut at 05:00 in the morning.
Bob:And it turned out that I had the wrong card, so I couldn't actually use that chart point to put air like, to put energy back into the car to allow me to continue the journey. Oh, wow. And so that would be stuck, totally stuck until the the local Renault dealership opened at 09:00 in the morning and I could lump the car down to them and plug it into a three pin socket to give me enough to get to Dundee. And then from Dundee, by that point, the contact center was open, so I was phoned up to get a charge started remotely to then get to Aberdeen later on. So needless to say, I missed the entire conference, and it took about thirteen hours to go from Dalkeith to Aberdeen on that first trip.
Gregg:What what is the what is the distance?
Bob:Probably less than way less than 200 miles.
Gregg:Okay.
Bob:20 miles or something like that, I think. But, yeah, it was it was the kind of thing that nowadays you don't even think twice about doing. You can do it in one charge. You don't even have to worry about preplanning or anything. But back in the day, we're like, okay.
Bob:So learn the hard way. Here's how you don't do it, and here's a a a a a lesson in preparation and having the right card for it. But but, yeah, I've got the right card in Aberdeen. So one of my friends, Alan Simpson from Aberdeen City Council, graciously lent me a CYC card. So the trip home was an absolute doddle, and it was no problem at all.
Bob:And it didn't really put me off doing any kind of long distance stuff, but it was yeah. That was quite an experience, Alan.
Gregg:I mean yeah. So some people are afraid to actually try things until they fail, and some of us are capable of actually trying and just we're not put off by that. So it's it's amazing. Yeah. Because Yeah.
Gregg:But like I say, these days, if if somebody has a campus and they're, you know, they're looking to get EVs and they're resistive because the the EV only has 200 miles, I think that story should show them that they there's nothing to worry about with these servo cars.
Bob:Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. And there's there's there's so many companies now that have gone that have gone electric for their fleet vehicles. Scottish Power operate a fleet of electric vehicles for pull cars, and we use those for long distance travel, no bother at all.
Bob:There are some organisations like National Grid, of course, who are embracing electric vehicles for all their work and needs. And the Real Male and BT Openreach, and there's so many companies nowadays that are really you know, they they can see the value in it, and they can they can go for it. And then they know that the cars are gonna be enough to do the job. Yeah. So it's it's been a real it was really interesting back in those days because everybody was looking at it saying, no.
Bob:You can't do that. That can't be done. It's never gonna work. And we just proved that it did without much fuss. When I left Edinburgh College to move to the Evoque in Swarco for doing the installation charge points, that was a whole different situation.
Bob:So at the time, the the public network was growing very, very quickly. There was a lot of funding available for organizations to take on board to to install charge points, usually with a three to five year maintenance plan, and that allows a lot of businesses to put a charge point in and to provide charging. But most of that charge was provided on the basis that it was free for people to use. So there was a lot of businesses in Scotland at the time who were really, really going for that and really putting stuff in the ground. And Evol, the company that installed Edinburgh College chargers, were growing very, very quickly.
Bob:My friend, Steven, who worked for them, approached me to say, would you like to come and join me doing this and making a difference and putting chargers on the ground? And I said, yeah. And then off we went on that adventure. And that was fantastic. It allowed me to go around every corner of Scotland, you know, 34,000 miles in one year, driving all around Scotland and seeing every corner of it, all the islands, seeing bits of it that I don't ever wanna go back to.
Bob:So it was fantastic putting putting all these kind of chargers in the community and on the trunk roads. And there's a huge amount of satisfaction when you rock up to a charger that you installed or you made happen, and you can plug your car into that charger. And, you know, people get, you know, enjoy the views when they're using it and stuff like that. It's it's a great, great, like, great part of the job, being able to do that. So so that kinda that was good for a few years.
Bob:And then, obviously, the the kinda network in Scotland, ChargePlace Scotland, was the the way that things started off with rather I should let's go back to this, was that the the chargers in Scotland are all individually owned by the businesses that put them in. So they're not owned by an overarching CPU like GridServ, for instance, who own all their chargers. The way that the network of Scotland developed was a bit more a bit different. And the funding allowed all these kind of businesses to put charge points in. And then, eventually, that network there was an umbrella organization formed to run that network of chargers, and it was called Charge by Scotland.
Bob:So it was backed by Transport Scotland. And that provided one RFID card for the whole of the country so that you could go from, again, John O'Groats to Strand Rar without having to have multiple different apps and stuff like that. So it was all about bringing it in, you know, holistic sort of solution. At the time, it was the charger was still free to use. Yeah.
Bob:It just made it easier, you know, drop the barriers, you know, to to adoption, basically. So the ChargePoint Scotland, the operation side of ChargePoint Scotland came up for tender, and Evo applied for it. Swarco applied for it. So the the natural progression from there was to move from being the business development manager responsible for putting the charges on the ground to being part of the team that then ran that entire network. So we took that over in 2021, not without challenges, must admit, and, worked to to try and better that network and improve the service for drivers as tariffs started coming in from the charge points and as, you know, the rules and regulations around them changed and things like that.
Bob:So so, yeah, I did that for about a year or two and, and then took a bit of time out, took a bit of a break from it, and then joined Scottish Power just about nearly nearly two years ago now. So moving on
Gregg:to Scottish Power, what made you wanna jump the ship and, you know, what do you do there, first of all? Like, what is the story?
Bob:So so Scottish Power, I wanted a bit of a change. I wanted to the ChargePoint Scotland experience, although it was good, it was very, very stressful. There's not a lot of people realize how much goes into running a a ChargePoint network. There's a whole lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes that the drivers aren't aware of, and there's a lot of things that are beyond the ChargePoint network operator's control. So a great example of that is if the network goes down for some reason, it's not necessarily the fault with a ChargePoint network operator And maybe some third party data service that they rely on has run through a hub in London or something, and that hub has gone down, and then you've lost all the communication with the chargers and you can't do anything.
Bob:But the ChargePoint network operator gets blamed for that. And first frustrated drivers have been phoning the helpline, and now I have a tirade against some of the people on the on the phone. And it's it's overall very a very, very stressful sort of area at the time. You know? The the handover process from the previous operator was challenging.
Bob:Rolling out the network and and doing all the kind of stuff what I had to do was challenging. You suddenly find out there's a lot more data to deal with than you might be anticipated, and that, in and of itself, is a bit of a challenge to manage. So I think I just got a bit burned out, I think, and I wanted a bit of a a bit of a break. So I took two months and had a bit of a break, just chilled out, and then go back into it and join Scottish Power. So, again, thankfully, for the contacts I've known in the industry for a long period of time, people I've worked with before who were ex local authority and stuff like that.
Bob:And it offered me a chance to join them and, become a technical executive for them to support this vulnerability team.
Gregg:Okay. Anything interesting going on with that job? Good. It's is it is it less stressful?
Bob:Oh, tremendously less stressful. Yeah. Yes. It's it's it's Scotch Power are a very a very forward thinking company. They've got some very, very clear goals now.
Bob:They're part of the wider Eberdrola Group, which is one of the biggest global companies in the world, a Spanish energy company. And they they are a % committed to doing green energy and delivering projects and delivering stuff that that furthers the net zero carbon goals. You know, ironically, they want people to pay less for their energy, and they're doing a lot of projects to try and encourage that. So in the EV realm, we do home charging. So we offer EV tariffs.
Bob:So you get time use tariffs. So it's cheaper to charge your car overnight when there's less demand on the grid. We've got the public charging that we do, so we fund our own charging points. If you have a patch of land, we will come in. We will install the charge points.
Bob:We'll install the electricity. We'll run the whole system. And, we've got that everywhere from Scotland all the way down to through Devon and Cornwall. And we're also doing other smart home solutions like heat pumps, solar panels, home energy battery storage, apps to help run your home. We've got smart metering things as well that will tie in with that.
Bob:So there's a whole range of projects and things that are available that that just make greener living easier.
Gregg:I mean, I I started well, I got my first EV, Nissan LEAF. We lived in a flat, and I had nowhere to pull the charger. Mhmm. So I relied on the local, Nissan garage to top up on their rapids, which was sometimes annoying because some of the other people thought they have to charge a % on the rapids, and you had to have that the conversation with them. But, otherwise, the the charges were free at the time in London because the the flat was in London, Penge or Penge.
Gregg:And and I would just leave the car, you know, charging for four hours somewhere, then move it somewhere else because you could you could only you could charge charge for free at the time, but you were only allowed to stay there for four hours.
Bob:Mhmm.
Gregg:And then I can't remember how long the Sunleaf took to charge fully, but it was more than that, basically. So you had to be, you know, over there. But then again, if you charge us for four hours, that usually has been enough to go somewhere. Yeah. And then you would be, you know, you would be getting closer to the area you you're, meaning to stay out on your feet, basically.
Gregg:Yeah. They forced you to walk a little bit more.
Bob:In fact, some of the some of the research we did with Edinburgh College going back, we we proved with the Nissan LEAFs that if the car was at a % charge all the time, it was detrimental to the battery pack. And it would increase the the internal resistance of the battery pack and, therefore, increase wear in the battery pack. And, you know, your best your best model for usage was to to basically charge the car to a % when you needed it to be a % and then use it. Yeah. And then not plug it back in until it had gone below 80% or even further to stop the stress on the battery pack.
Bob:And we used Leaf Spy to kind of interrogate the canvas for the car and and look at the cell voltages and and do all sorts of graphs and stuff like that and feed that data back to the students as well. And then when those vehicles came off a fleet with 30,000 miles on them, they were all in perfect health and and went off to their second life with their their their their their new owners. And, in fact, two of them have been on YouTube since then. One of them went to doctor Ewan McDuck.
Gregg:Yeah. I was just about to say. Yeah. I've I've I've heard him talk about it.
Bob:Yeah. So he he bought one of my old fleet cars, and then fantastic. He joined from Porterfield up in Orkney. Bought a pile of fleet cars as well. And one of his customers, was recently on his channel, kinda talking about our vehicle, which is one of the cars that belonged to one of the campuses, and she absolutely loves it.
Bob:And it's still, you know, in a very, very good state of health back and forward.
Gregg:Yeah. And she treats her very well. She's never accelerating. There's, like, five or seven little dots on the on the dashboard. She never exceeds two, I think.
Bob:That that's good to know because when that car was with us, it got a kicking.
Gregg:Well, so let's not tell her that.
Bob:No. Let's keep that one quiet.
Gregg:But it's good that people, you know, take care of them. The I mean, since then, obviously, the technology has moved on quite a lot. And the Nissan LEAF battery, like, chemistry has been famously unreliable. And they also decided not to put active cooling or or heating of the battery, which didn't help.
Bob:No. That that that that has definitely been the Achilles heel for Nissan LEAF is that that lack of an active cooling system because those batteries when not so much in a 24 kilowatt car but in the the higher energy vehicles, the 40 kilowatt plus. It's a very tightly packed battery pack, and the the heat buildup gets to the point where it is detrimental to the batteries. And that's where the the kind of rapid gate situation came in where the the battery management system was throttling the power of the rapid charger to try and keep the batteries below a certain temperature level. And as as we know from our friends at Cleve Levy and James and that, you know, replacing two or three battery cells now that's not a not an uncommon job Yeah.
Bob:Because the cells have got damaged and have expanded a little bit, and the battery packs suffered as a result.
Gregg:So Yeah. Last time I spoke to Matt, he said he's got 22 of those queued up to to do so.
Bob:Yeah. But nowadays, when you look at all the the vehicles, even the cheaper vehicles, they've all got active cooling. So, you know, it's a better understanding of battery management, a better understanding of the chemistry. It's just the natural evolution of the manufacturers to to guarantee longevity in the battery packs and keep them going. And that's a good thing because, you know, people have learned from the stakes.
Bob:You know, all the new Nissans have got active cooling in them and stuff like that, so it's it's really making the making the product better as we go.
Gregg:Yeah. I mean, I I had a 30 kilowatt hour leaf, so I've I'm I'm very familiar with the, the RapidGait and all the all the jazz.
Bob:Yeah. Yeah. And it
Gregg:was funny. At some point, like, two years into ownership of my LEAF, they they unlocked a little bit more range. And I I believe that contributed to the fact that the those battery packs then started degrading faster. Mhmm. Because by the time I sold my car, it had almost 60,000 miles on it.
Gregg:And we've lost a bar literally about a month before I sold it, which obviously contributed to the lower value that I could get out of it, which, yeah, I was very, very disappointed by that. Yeah. But what can you do? Any anything else? Any shout outs you wanna you wanna give to Scottish Power or any anybody else?
Bob:Yeah. Just keep a keep an eye out for Bruce the Butterfly on the the TV channels and stuff. He's our our main marketing campaign just now talking about being big and green just like me. And, what what what you what you can do to for smarter and greener living, There's loads of options to to help reduce energy bills. There's loads of options to to help reduce what you're paying for your EV, particularly with the EV tariffs and stuff like that as well and smart tariffs and smart metering.
Bob:And, yeah, we've got a lot of projects coming up for additional renewable energy because we're % renewable energies now. So we're we're doing more of that. There's more some of the the opportunities are opening up for onshore wind now, which is great because we can we can work with that, and we can provide more energy. There's a lot of work being done to upgrade the grids and to help interconnectors and stuff to help with that. And, you know, as as the industry changes and as the the electricity industry as a whole changes and stuff like that, we're probably gonna see our energy costs dropping quite significantly, which would be quite nice.
Gregg:And just to clarify, it's not just for the Scotland, but it's anybody can do it around the, the whole the entire UK, or is it just the Great Britain?
Bob:Yeah. You you can you can you can have Scottish Power as your name as a supplier anywhere in The
Gregg:UK. Okay.
Bob:So we're UK wide. We operate the grid in the Southwest Of Scotland and the Northwest Of England. And where's the other one? I think it's it's down south somewhere, but I can't quite remember because it's not my part of the business. It's kinda two separate businesses, if you like, under the Scottish Power and Brazil.
Bob:Yeah. But we are one of the biggest grid operators in The UK just now, thanks to some recent acquisitions. So but, yeah, it's there there's a whole pile of stuff happening. It's not it's not the the traditional energy company that people thought it used to be. It's growing and it's, you know, it's it's like bruiser butterflies.
Bob:It's gonna come out with this chrysalis, and it's growing and it's pregnant its wings and stuff like that, and we can do a whole range of stuff. So if there's any doubt, I'll have to look at the website, see what suits, and get in touch.
Gregg:Alright. Thank you so much for your time, and I hope this inspires people to get more EVs or talk to people about, you know, difficulties in getting EVs, especially in, like, commercial environments.
Bob:Yeah. Yeah.
Gregg:And they should check out Scottish Power.
Bob:Oh, definitely. Yeah. You know, any questions about EVs or anything like that, we're more than happy to help. And by all means, come down to events like everything electric and stuff because there's there's so much there's so much energy. There's so much information.
Bob:There's there's so much intelligence. There's so much experience. Take advantage of that, and we'll help demystify the myths and hopefully solve any questions.
Gregg:Alright. Thank you very much. And this has been Take It Easy with Greg and and Bob.
