Hello and welcome back to Take It EV, the podcast where we charge through the world

of electric vehicles. Hi this is Greg, this is episode 49 of Take It EV, 49. So

today's episode is electric in more way than one. We've just hit over 1 million

EVs on the roads in the UK as of March 2024. That's right, we're in the

millions now, boy. It's a milestone that sparks a lot of excitement and shows the

bright future of EVs. So buckle up as we drive into what this means for you

and others, whether you're a seasoned EV driver or just a starting and or you

think about getting into the driver's seat of an electric vehicle. So let's

get on with it, so to say. Here, 1 million. Who would have thought, right?

When I got my first EV in 2016, sorry 2016, there were quite few of us.

I still remember people asking me like, are you sure you're getting an EV?

You had a pretty good diesel car, powerful beauvoir, why would you get

yourself a pitly little Nissan Leaf? But I just loved it, I fell in love

with it the moment I took off the the Eco mode and pressed my foot on the

accelerator. What got you into your EV? If you're a new EV owner, welcome

first of all, welcome to the still pretty elite club. But you know, I would

love to know like what got you over the threshold. Just write to me at

takeitev@gmail.com, just drop me a line. I love hearing from people or

MasterDon and all the other places where you can find me, just type in

takeitev and you'll see where I am. Yeah, 1 million, right? So I thought, why not

just have an episode where we kind of go through things that I would give you as

an advice, you know, we're all friends here. You'd be like, oh yeah, I've got a

I've got a new EV or I want to get an EV. What should I do? Like what is the

what is the stuff that I need to be aware of? You know, despite of everything

you hear in the news. What do you need to do to kind of make yourself

comfortable? Right? I mean, first of all, it is just a car. So you know, let's just

get out of that out of the way. It just drives out like a car. But here's, I'm

gonna try saying there's gonna be 10 things that you probably are not gonna

hear from other media. Even the big, you know, podcasters or YouTubers that talk

about electric cars, they generally avoid this stuff or some of the ways I like to

put things, but you know, we're friends here so I'm gonna talk to you like a

friend. So after the break, let's just say the tips for new EV owners.

By the way, if you hear, you know, T.P. Tapi noise in the background, that's the

the techie TV co-host Snowy. Doesn't bark much, but he's an oldie and he likes to

T.P. Tapi and my wife's just out of the house so he is trying to find her little

boy. He's 15 years old and he's just the cutest. The photos are on Instagram if

you're curious. Anyway, back to the show. So before I actually get to the, you

know, the tips for new EV owners or drivers, let's just talk about, you know,

hitting the first, the one million, sorry, not even the first, I hope it's the first,

but the one million in the UK. I think it's a powerful statement that the UK is

just plugging into the future, you know, a little bit more than we were hoping and

or let me reinstate that. I'm not gonna prerecord this. It's way better than I

thought. Should have come sooner, I think. You know, we were kind of all hoping that

2020 is gonna be the year of EVs, but then something's happened, right? And

things got kind of slowed down and there was a shortage of chips and whatever. The

world kind of stopped for a bit and, you know, we had a holiday, let's

always say, as far as the growth of things like EVs. In many ways it was a

great time for the planet because the pollution was actually on the pretty low

for a few months or even a year or so, but it did impact things like the

transitioning to the greener and cleaner transportation to steal

Niki's from transport-involved introduction. But I think it's still

amazing that, you know, 2024 in the UK sees the one million. That's a huge

number. I remember, you know, for the first few years of owning EV we would be

like cheering every time we saw an EV driving past or overtaking one. And now,

you know, I can just go down to the shops, 10-minute drive into town and I'll see

dozens of them. So how things have changed, right? Not to mention the

amazing growth of the rapid network or rapid charging network around the

country. It used to be sufficient for, you know, small trips where you had to plan

them very carefully, but now you can't go 10 miles in this country without

actually seeing an EV charger. And it's even better in Western Europe, I think, so

you know, not too bad. I think this shifts, you know, this kind of signals the shift

towards the sustainable transportation and it just shows us that this isn't just

a phase regardless of, you know, how the current government is trying to

steer us off this target lately. You know, I think we're pretty good. And it

is a new reality, so I think it's a clean and clear indication that the EV

market is charging ahead and we're all here for the ride. And by the way,

Norway, right, you heard of this little country, they're on the track to have, for

the number of EVs on the road to surpass the ICE vehicles and that's just pure EVs,

not hybrids. So this is just what we call "Chin-Nor-Wei" on the cake. That was

terrible. Apologies for that. Anyway, the 10 or, you know, the things you

should do or the suggestions or things you, I think, you need to know when you're

new to EV or I would like to, every EV owner, new EV owner to kind of keep in

mind or be aware of, and this actually sounds scary, but things you should do

when you're an EV owner that will make your life way easier, I think, after this

break.

So first of all, you know, if you're entering the world of EVs, if

you're new to this, it might feel daunting. Like, not a day goes by when I

hear on the forum, you know, I've got myself a new shiny EV, what should I do?

What, you know, what should I read? Like, what should I be aware of? What's the

cool stuff that I need to do? So the first thing I always tell people, it's

just like I said before, it is just a car. It's, you know, it's surprising, it

surprised me how many people when we got the Nissan LEAF saw it for the first

time in the flash and actually got in as a passenger and they were like, "Oh yeah,

it's actually a solid car." I guess everybody was expecting, I don't know, a

Flintstones car or, you know, a little tinny shell and they're quite surprised

that it's a solidly built car. So yeah, EVs are just cars. I know, it's a

surprise, but you'd be surprised how many people think differently.

Maybe not these days, but it used to be a thing. So the first thing when

you get an EV that I would like for you to do is get yourself familiar

with charging. And this might sound silly, but you know, it's a shift from

the way the society has been kind of taught how to operate with automobiles.

Sorry, I just seem to trigger my Apple Watch. Again, I'm not gonna edit this

episode. So this just goes in. Anyway, where was I? So charging. It's an

interesting one because you hear a lot of bad things on the news and

so on, but judging is not really that difficult or scary. I think what

happens most of the time is that people are caught off guard when they

go further afield. So it's all great. It's all happy when you're

in the routine, when you're just driving around the town and you plug in at

home. But when you go further afield and you feel like the lead

basically has extended too far, it might be a bit daunting. So the thing that I

always kind of suggest to people is simulate that sort of thing

minus the panic. Just go around your town or your city, find yourself all the

rapid charges that you have in the area and just use them. It might be, you know, a

bit of an expenditure, but I think it should put you at ease. Or at least, you

know, I think it beats sitting at home and just watching the telly or

scrolling the, you know, Instagrams or whatever. I think it's a bit more

entertainment. And let's face it, you got yourself a new toy, right? It's the

reason why we buy new things in life is we want this adrenaline, we want

this, you know, the new shiny excitement in our life. And this is just an

extension of it. You know, I think discovering new things in life is

what the life is all about. So I would suggest embracing it. And who knows, you

might actually come across somebody like myself or other, you know, a seasoned

EV owner at the charger. And if you have any problems, you can always chat to

somebody. It's amazing. Again, just kind of reminiscing the old times. When we

got ourselves in a sunleaf in 2016, I would drive around, you know, because it

would be usually me charging or driving on long distance trips. And I remember

just talking to pretty much every second driver that we would come across at the

charger, you know, you're going to be there for a good 15, 20, 30 minutes. So you

might as well just have a chat, especially when it's warm outside. And

people were kind of a bit more friendly and open to have discussion. Not everybody,

of course, because it's just a human nature. You don't always want to talk to

other people. But quite often, you know, a chat would ensue. And people would

complain about how terrible the cultural city network is and, and so on. And it's

amazing how things have changed. So yeah, go out and basically test the charging.

You know,

you're about two weeks ago, I went to my local Costa coffee, and there's an

Osprey charger or chargers, there's Osprey chargers at the retail park. And

a guy turned up in a Renault, whatever one of those new electric reno's. And he

was kind of looking around and you know, trying to see what's going on. He

actually chatted me up, he said, Oh, yeah, how do you do this? And I showed him,

you know, that you can use contactless, but you can do it, do this with the app

and you know, and all that. But you don't have to have an app, you can just use

contactless if you if you so want. And he was very, very grateful. And he said, Oh,

yeah, this is the second day of my ownership of this car. And I don't have

the home charger yet. So I thought, you know, I'll just come around and check

out this this charger. And I thought, that's a, you know, this amazing job,

like you'd be surprised how many people don't even try to to rapid charge the

car, like to test it's basically just to see what it's like. Because when you're

in a pinch, when you're on the trip, or when you you know, when the other

charger you tried didn't work, it's good to have this confidence that you've

already done this and this isn't new to you. And by the way, the first thing I

would like to like you to check, especially if you have an Audi, I think,

I think it's the Audi is to find the CCS port, the full, the full port, not just

the one that you use at home. This is one of those things that you sometimes

feed people turning up at the charges and they, they pick up the the cable,

the CCS cable, and they look they open the port on the car and they look at

the cable, look at the port, look at the cable, look at the port and they're like,

this doesn't match. There's usually like a little flippy, flappy thing at the

bottom that you need to open up as well. So I think that's number one, just get

familiar with the not just a home charger, but rapid charging and

destination charging is the other one, you know, take the cable out. If your

town has a, has a bunch of destination charges, I think this night,

destination charging is something that's underrated. And especially on long

trips, you might be surprised how useful it is to be able to just plug in the car,

leave it overnight and wake up with the full battery and not have to go to a

rapid charger on your holidays. So charging, check it out.

Second thing on my list is

finding your route, finding a way, you know, navigating the world of EVs, like

entering the EV world, you know, is a bit like navigating a new city without a map.

You don't, you don't let that turn you off. But once you get your bearings, it's

smooth and enjoyable, right? Right. So you need to understand your range. So, you

know, how far your car can go. But also things like

you, even though your car might have a range, say of 200 miles on the, on the

full charge, you're never going to drive 200 miles from, you know, 100% to zero,

just like an ICE car or any other vehicle. You're, you're not going to put yourself

in a position where you're, you can't really go any further. And the estimated

range of your car varies, right? The, what the manufacturer tells you is usually

quite a, quite a blunt lie, just a marketing, you know, thing. So I would

just throw that out of the window and just find out what is your, the real

range of your car, because it obviously depends on where you live on the

terrain, you know, obviously you're gonna, you're gonna use more power when you

drive up the hill, right? That's just physics. There's no getting around it.

But also being able to see, okay, say your car has 200 miles range, that's quite

a reasonable assumption these days, but it might be that has 160 miles of range,

whatever it is. Just think about that's 100%. So what is it going to be at 80%?

Right? Just take that figure, plop it in the calculator and multiply it by 0.8,

or not 0.8, as we would say. But I'm just, you know, I'm trying to make this

friendly for international audience. That's going to be your figure, right?

So that's your 80% figure. And now assume your car is not going to be, you don't

want to drive your car down to 0%. It's just not going to be fun for anybody.

You're gonna have to call, you know, somebody to tell you, essentially, that's

not, that's not fun. So whatever that figure is, basically now say, okay, I

want to be left with, say, no more than, or no less than 15%. So figure out what

the 15% is. Do the maths. So, you know, again, 200 times 15% will be not 0.15,

right? Subtract that figure from the previous one, or just do, you know, 65% or

60% of that figure. That's going to be your comfortable, long range driving range.

And that's something nobody tells you, but that's just the reality of it. Like

when I, when I started driving EVs, or necessarily in theory, could do 105 miles,

even though the manufacturer was saying 130 or something silly like that, there's

no way that car could have done that ever, unless you just drive down the hill

every time and then you put it on the train back up the other road. So even,

even that figure, even say 90 miles, that takes way, way longer than you think to

drive. You know, say if you're driving on the motorway and the speed limit is 70

miles an hour, you're not going to be driving 70 miles an hour average speed.

That's just, there's just no way that's not going to happen ever. Even if you're

driving in the middle of the road, trust me, that's just not, that's just not the

way the real world works. So it takes, you know, say the figure comes out 130,

140 miles, that's your comfortable range. That is going to be quite a few hours of

driving on the, on the road. And that's going to be the figure you actually,

you're interested in. And now, you know, put your favorite destination, your

holiday destination, or your like, this is the furthest I want to go. Be

excitable, just try, try going somewhere and see how far you can go and how many

times you would have to stop along the way to charge. So basically, you know, if

you say you want to go from London to Edinburgh, however, mile that is, however

many miles that is, sorry, divide that by the range you got out of your

confuser. And this is how many times likely we'll have to stop along the way.

These days is actually quite easy to find charges, you have to go, you know, to

a place like ZapMap or, or if you're outside of the UK, PlugShare. They're very

good maps that actually show you where the charging points are. There might be a

different place or different website in your country. These days, Apple Maps and

Google Maps actually will show you charging points as well. So that's very

useful. I don't think it's easy to find it in using a navigation, but you know,

at least you might be able to spot them. You might be able to say, okay, in, in

this town or the city, I want to see all the nearby electric vehicle charging

points. And it will show you on the map, which is very, very useful. So, you know,

plot those trips on your couch in the comfort of your home. And who knows, you

might be like me and you might say one day, well, I'm actually bored this

weekend. Let's just go and drive to Edinburgh. You know, when I, when I got

my Nissan LEAF with the poor range that it had on one of the long weekends, I

think it was in May, in May, I can't remember exactly. I decided to just drive

from London to Edinburgh, Glasgow and back because, you know, stayed overnight

in a couple of places. And it was fun. And there were some hairy moments

because obviously the car had a very small range and there wasn't as many

chargers out there. I mean, I remember Scotland was actually pretty good

because the charging was free. Actually, now that I remember the

electricity charges were actually free as well. At that time, those were the

days, right? They, but it was fun. It was, it was a challenge that, you know,

I kind of, once I did that, I, I was like, okay, well, I got this, you know,

even if I am going to be in a pinch, I will, I'm kind of confident that I can

do this. Right. And wherever I went, I actually looked around for the local

charges because again, the car had a 90 something mile range. So you have to be,

you have to be a bit more prolific about finding the charges nowadays with a

E-Niro that we have, that car can do 250 miles on the charge. There is no

hesitation. I find myself going to places like Yorkshire. I live in

Tumbridge in the UK in Kent, Yorkshire, you know, say four and a half hours

driving five if you're, if you're driving slow and carefully. I have no

hesitation sometimes to go to a meetup or to, you know, to see friends over

there just because I want to. And the, and I have to stop once or twice along

the way. And it's mostly because five, four or five hours that no, that

requires me to actually have a comfort break as they call it nicely. Right. You

need to go to the low. You need to have a coffee or just, just stretch your legs

because it's just boring sitting in a car for five hours. Let's be honest. So

yeah, just try to see whether you can navigate the world in your EV and you'd

be surprised how easy it is. And if you took my previous advice, you're going

to be super comfortable with those rapid charges along the way. And trust me, you

will see loads of ones that you've never seen before, because this is still an

upcoming and vibrant industry and things change all the time constantly. It's,

it's all exciting still. So I think we're in the sort of golden times when it

comes to owning EV. So if you're an EV, new EV owner, welcome. So speaking of

road trips and charging, the other thing that I always suggest to be able to try

is to kind of maximize your EV driving experience. You know, it's surprising how

many people who drive ICE cars, just rev them up because they need, they want that

speed. And trust me, I'm just like everybody else. I, I'm aware of the

speed. This is actually what hooked me, got me into EVs in the first place. It's

a long story. You'd have to listen to some other previous episodes. But you

know, when I test drove the Tesla Model S back in 2014, I think it was, I just, I

was like, yeah, I need to get an EV. This is just the ICE cars are dead, basically.

And even though my, my, you know, diesel car, voxel insignia could smoke the tires

at 70 miles an hour, if I reduced from sixth to fifth, I had loads of torque. EV

just blew it off, blew it away. Like the Nissan LEAF was just felt like so much

more fun, which was hilarious, basically. When I would tell that to people and

try and explain that to them, you'd see the blank stare on their face. How can

this little froggy looking thing be exciting, right? But the, but some of us

got into EVs because we love the power and the, and this is, you know, it's quite

exciting to be able to step on it and just get off the traffic lines or

whatever very quickly. So, but as much as fun that is, you can't really drive like

that for five, six hours because, you know, physics is physics and it will eat into

your range. It's just the way it is. Just like with the ICE cars, it will eat into

your mileage, miles per gallon or whatever. It will eat into your range in

an EV. And because the range of an EV is still smaller or lower than one of ICE

cars, you'll see that quicker. So we don't want that. So like she being able to,

again, put yourself another challenge in front of you and, and get yourself to

actually drive slower or, you know, a bit more conservative is one of those things

that, you know, I always kind of recommend for people. Plus it's more fun.

Like you have a car that actually doesn't make any noise when it

accelerates. It doesn't vibrate, doesn't rattle. Just turn that experience to 11,

right? Try driving in a slow and kind of slow. You don't have to be slow, but you

have to accelerate slower. You have to bring it up to speed slower and then

kind of trying to maintain that speed, anticipate changes up ahead. So don't,

you know, don't drive too close to other people. There's, if it, when it comes to

hypermiling, as it's called, there's so much out there, so much misinformation,

but so much actual information to try. And it's, I think it's as much as I hate

this term, it is, or it should be a common sense to, to see what makes a

difference. And I think it's a challenge that is worth doing because going back

to my previous statement where I said that I like to drive sometimes to, to

Yorkshire. I'm not going to drive to Yorkshire, you know, like overtaking

everybody and just be on the, on the, on the cusp of being the fastest driver on

the road for five hours, because it is going to be tiring. Like, you know, I'm

going there to visit friends and talk to people. I want to be fresh and relaxed.

So I'm just going to put the, the cruise control on the, you know, the one that in

the, in the, in Euro, it actually keeps the distance away from the cars in front of you. And it maintains

the speed and it's just fun. You just sit there 69 miles per hour, put an e-book or a

podcast like mine and just relax or just put the radio on and just chillax, you

know, classic FM, whatever, and every self and just take it off to some overtaking

and then get back to it. Let her, you know, see all the people rushing through and

just be like, whatever, I'll be 10 minutes later, but I'll be relaxed. But when you

were on the shared journeys around the town, you know, by all means, use the

electric power because it's there for you to be used. So I'll be the last person to

say, don't, don't drive, you know, like fun. Obviously, be mindful of other people

and be safe out there. So yeah, try to maximize your EV experience by learning,

you know, other way of driving and because you don't have to shift the gears

and do all the other nonsense. It is actually still fun. It is actually

relaxing because your car doesn't make any rattling noises. So yeah, try driving

differently just to kind of expand your horizons. That's my next hint.

Next one is going to be fun. So just like me, you're off to Yorkshire, right?

You're there. Why did you go there? Well, in my case, it's because there's loads of

EV owners communities out there that are, you know, super fun to see and talk to

people. And as much as I hate big crowds, I actually love small communities and

just be able to talk to people who, you know, when you're, when you're these days

on the internet and you join the forums, there's going to be all sorts of people

out there. People are much friendlier and kind of approachable in person and being

able to just drive somewhere, you know, like that and just see the community. It's

amazing. So I mean, shout out to the Yorkshire EV Club because they're super.

But it could be just your local club. I live in Kent. We have a Kent EV meetup.

There's one in Sussex as well. There's so many of them out there and they're fun.

So yeah, by all means, look up your local EV community. You might not be the sort of

person who likes to talk to other people, but you'll be, you might be surprised how

many people from different walks of lives are in those communities. And sometimes

some of them just show up once, but you might develop some long term relationships.

I do call my Yorkshire EV people friends because, you know, I've been there quite

few times. And the reason I go there is because that's the only time sometimes I

get to see them. So join your local EV community. And on the subject of

communities, every country, you know, we're still at the point where the

legislation isn't there for every EV related things like we still have don't

have things like mandated signage, right? One of the reasons you can see a petrol

station from a distance or you know where they're going to be is because

there's usually signs, you know, it's quite easy to spot one. That's not true

for EV chargers like the there was no universal way to find them. It's way

better than it used to be. But you still have to you still have to use an app or,

you know, or other other way. And that's just not the way I think it should be.

And there's so many more things that need to be done for this experience to be even

better. And this leads me to a suggestion that you should try finding your local

group that actually, you know, does any anything towards lobbying the the

government or your local authorities? And in England, where I live, it's an EVA.

And EVA England, sorry, there's loads of EVAs. It's EV Driver Association of

England. And if you live in England, I suggest joining them if you're not

already a member. There's loads of perks that come with that. You get discounts at

different things. And you know, it changes all the time. So I'm not gonna

gonna tell you exactly what it is because by the time you listen to this,

it might be completely different. But the look it up, I had EVA England CEO on the

podcast before. So go look up the previous episodes with James.

Whatever country you live in, I can guarantee you there's going to be one of

those around. And they do amazing work. You know, one of the reasons we have

contact last Monday to all the charges on the new rapid charges in the UK is

due to them actually doing that work. So you know, meeting with MPs and lobbying

the government. Because otherwise there is no voice from the drivers. It's all, you

know, commercial entities, right? OEMs and charging and oil companies trying to slow

down things. So yeah, I think if you have the money and you have the will, I think

it's a good thing to join something like EVA. Again, look up your local

communities. Just show up once, you know, see what it's like. Show up with kids.

It's usually just people sitting in a car park and then going to a coffee

shop for a little chinwerk. You might find out things if you don't have an EV

yet and you're still on the verge or you're thinking about it.

It's good to see other people and actually with EVs and get the real life

stories out there. So yeah, join the EV community. It's not just about, you know,

sharing sockets and sparking connections. But you know, you might find friends in

there. So yeah, do that. We might meet at the EV community meetup if you are.

If you do, just come and say hi.

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Another thing that I don't actually have on my list, but I think it's quite

like not an obvious thing to mention, but EVs are still new, right? As far as

OEMs are concerned and I mean technology is, you know, quite obvious. But the way

to manufacture things on a greater scale is obviously a bit more difficult, right?

So unlike the ICE cars and diesel cars or whatever, where if you bought

yourself a BMW or Audi with 1.6 something litre engine and then you bought

yourself an Opel, whatever, or you know, some other, you know, Fiat or whatever

with the same sort of engine, there's a likelihood that these two cars will

actually drive quite well. Quite similarly, there isn't going to be that

much difference. All the other differences are going to be in the, you

know, the interior, the way you get in the car and how it looks and all that jazz.

But the drivability, the powertrain, the engine is going to be pretty much the

same. That's not exactly true in the world of EVs, right? If you buy yourself

a Kiai Niro like I have and then you buy yourself a Nissan LEAF with the same

size of battery, so 64 kilowatts, those two cars are going to behave

differently. They're going to have different levels of power. They're

going to have a different range. They're going to have a different, you know,

loads of things about the powertrain. They're going to charge in a different

way. This is the one of the things that bugs me these days is, you know, as a

society, we kind of, we pick our cars depending on different factors. But you

kind of have to, if you're still new to this or you haven't bought yourself an

EV, you have to think about it as a person who, you know, looks at it from the

other, the perspective I just mentioned, the fact that, you know, they're all

going to be slightly different under the hood. And that's probably, that

probably should be your primary concern. I mean, if you bought a car already, no

worries. I'm sure that, you know, all EVs are amazing. Like, so, you know, they

share a lot of same characteristics, but the, as far as efficiency goes and the

speed of charging and all that, it's all going to be different. So it kind of bugs

me these days when you read in a newspaper or just newspaper online,

scaremongering acticles saying, oh yeah, you know, I got myself EV and I got

stranded somewhere because EVs are terrible. It's the analogy that I always

give people is like, it's like buying yourself an Android phone from, you know,

AliExpress, being disappointed with it and just saying, oh yeah, all mobile

phones are crap. So don't buy an iPhone or whatever, you know, greatest

Android phone is because they're all equally crap. That's just, that's just

nonsense, right? I think we can all see that. So just be mindful of that, that the

EVs are still different and that's a good thing. The industry is still

vibrant and kind of growing and, you know, developing. So there's still those to

change and to kind of get better. Don't get me wrong, we're, you know, we're at

amazing stage but there's still loads more to come. So just be mindful of that.

Your EV will have loads of great things that you love about it, you know, if you're

a fan of a particular brand. But that doesn't mean that, you know, all the

downsides of your EV are shared with other EVs. Just be mindful of that.

So as we power down today's episode, just let's remember that reaching 1

million EVs in the UK is a milestone that deserves a standing ovation, I think.

And honking over horn, let me see if I have a...

There we go, that was very cheesy. And the journey ahead, you know, is charged with

potential. And it's all very exciting part of a, you know, and welcome to the

exciting transition. I think it's amazing. Whether you're, you know, already an EV

driver or thinking about it, becoming one, you're part of a movement that's bigger

than all of us. And if you have any questions, these parts of insight or just

want to share your journey, you know, just reach out on social media or email. Again,

take it EV@gmail.com. And until next time, keep your batteries charged and your

spirits high!

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